Wattch Party Commits to the Cards

[Randolphkeys]

If Watt chooses the Browns, the money will be there. There are only three priorities over a starting level talent on the Browns defense:

1. Bonus and long-term deal with Baker.
2. Bonus and long-term deal with Chubb.
3. Bonus and long-term deal with Teller.

Aside from that, Ward needs his extension.

From there some fat can be trimmed. Chris Hubbard is definitely gone. Allowing Njoku to walk is an easy way to save a lot of cash. Keenum is a clear restructure candidate.

But the Browns were fully prepared to throw a serious offer at either Clowney or Ngakue. There is a premiere contract slot left before the Browns switch their attention to "solid starter replacements" on defense.

 

[CBBI]

I mean I’m not going into an in depth detail of our salary situation but it basically is. We’d have to do some cap magic and cut a few players. Even then jj would take a good amount of our remaining cap and we still have other positions to address. We would be very strapped for cash.

Signing JJ Watt or any other free agent at the same price point is not really going to change anything for the Browns long-term outlook though.

The Browns are going to have to make all the difficult decisions you are suggesting and more beginning in the 2022 offseason regardless of what they do this offseason.

This idea that signing Watt would “cripple” the Browns is just flat untrue.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Alright, so, just so we are clear:

The Browns "cap space" is entirely rollover. The Browns are already 8 million over the salary cap, so their cap space that they use cannot be freed up.

Ultimately, that means once it's been used, the Browns will be MASSIVELY over the cap. We are talking about the Browns being, soon, maybe 20 million over the cap and being sustained entirely on rollover cap. Now, can that change? Sure, but they will have to restructure and release a lot of guys to get that cap space back.

So they need to be very careful about who to spend on. I think JJ is a good investment, but this isn't a "hell, we have the money to spend, may as well."

 

[AZ_]

Alright, so, just so we are clear:

The Browns "cap space" is entirely rollover. The Browns are already 8 million over the salary cap, so their cap space that they use cannot be freed up.

Ultimately, that means once it's been used, the Browns will be MASSIVELY over the cap. We are talking about the Browns being, soon, maybe 20 million over the cap and being sustained entirely on rollover cap. Now, can that change? Sure, but they will have to restructure and release a lot of guys to get that cap space back.

So they need to be very careful about who to spend on. I think JJ is a good investment, but this isn't a "hell, we have the money to spend, may as well."

Absolutely, you’d essentially be ceding any opportunity you have to ALSO go after a Richard Sherman type of CB help as well.

Still a risk worth taking, to me.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Absolutely, you’d essentially be ceding any opportunity you have to ALSO go after a Richard Sherman type of CB help as well.

Still a risk worth taking, to me.

Agreed. Obviously Bucs’ secondary is very solid, but watching the disruption their front 7 just had makes a signing like this all the more intriguing to me.

 

[AZ_]

Agreed. Obviously Bucs’ secondary is very solid, but watching the disruption their front 7 just had makes a signing like this all the more intriguing to me.

The AFC runs through Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.

Defensive pressure is probably the most important thing to consistently have to combat that.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Alright, so, just so we are clear:

The Browns "cap space" is entirely rollover. The Browns are already 8 million over the salary cap, so their cap space that they use cannot be freed up.

Ultimately, that means once it's been used, the Browns will be MASSIVELY over the cap. We are talking about the Browns being, soon, maybe 20 million over the cap and being sustained entirely on rollover cap. Now, can that change? Sure, but they will have to restructure and release a lot of guys to get that cap space back.

So they need to be very careful about who to spend on. I think JJ is a good investment, but this isn't a "hell, we have the money to spend, may as well."

So how can teams like the Saints be so far over?

 

[bob2the2nd]

So how can teams like the Saints be so far over?

Cap is only officially calculated at the very end of the year. So what you see as overage Right now is simply the projected numbers for a team . I've got no idea how far over the cap the saints are but basically it indicates that the team will have to make significant financial changes before fielding a team this year.

 

[FrontPageNews]

So how can teams like the Saints be so far over?

They pushed back all their big money to this year.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The AFC runs through Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.

Defensive pressure is probably the most important thing to consistently have to combat that.

I may well be wrong about this, but I thought stats showed that Mahomes actually had more time to throw than did Brady. The problem for the Chiefs was the coverage.

Anyway, to call back to a point @Randolphkeys made after the Super Bowl, the Bucs inside linebackers - supposedly a devalued position because they generally don't rush the passer - were critical to their game plan.

I just think we need significant improvement in the back seven overall, and not just among the DB's. So I'm not all that keen on spending our limited assets on Watt unless it's at below market value.

 

[FrontPageNews]

I’d rather have Lavonte David than jj. Having 2 elite pass rushers would be great no doubt but we’d still get quick passed to death like last year. David would stop a lot of that. This team desperately needs an elite lb. we can’t afford both.

 

[Scrote Squad]

I may well be wrong about this, but I thought stats showed that Mahomes actually had more time to throw than did Brady. The problem for the Chiefs was the coverage.

Anyway, to call back to a point @Randolphkeys made after the Super Bowl, the Bucs inside linebackers - supposedly a devalued position because they generally don't rush the passer - were critical to their game plan.

I just think we need significant improvement in the back seven overall, and not just among the DB's. So I'm not all that keen on spending our limited assets on Watt unless it's at below market value.

He was pressured 29 times v. the Bucs, a Super Bowl record.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He was pressured 29 times v. the Bucs, a Super Bowl record.

Doesn't address how much of that pressure was because of the coverage, though. If your receivers aren't getting open,and you're holding onto the ball hoping that they do...you'll be getting pressured.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I may well be wrong about this, but I thought stats showed that Mahomes actually had more time to throw than did Brady. The problem for the Chiefs was the coverage.

Mahomes broke a record in advanced stats for total yards run. His scrambling behind the line of scrimmage added with positive yards totalled a a staggering 497 yards.

Patrick Mahomes ran nearly 500 yards before throwing or getting sacked

The Chiefs didn't have much of a running game last night.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

I definitely used White as an example of blue chip linebacker play being an equalizer against a mobile quarterback, but the effectiveness of Todd Bowles blitzes and the pass rush was extremely important.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Doesn't address how much of that pressure was because of the coverage, though. If your receivers aren't getting open,and you're holding onto the ball hoping that they do...you'll be getting pressured.

You have to dig into the metric you're using if you expect it to have any value.

How do they calculate "time to throw"? If it stops when the QB releases the ball, that's always going to be skewed because Brady gets the ball out quickly, while Mahomes holds it forever.