Week #5 - Baker Bounce Back @ Bolts

[DirtyDan]

the offense put up 42 on the road with 0 turnovers and lost by 5 lmao

I guess AJ Green covering Mike Williams all game is lost on you.

 

[CBBI]

I will admit that Stefanski's explanation of the 3rd and 10 draw call was quite pathetic. Especially when you consider they threw the ball on 2nd down.

I am willing to chalk it up to coach speak because he certainly doesn't want to toss any of his players under the bus, but that answer definitely wasn't acceptable.

 

[MGMT]

Score 42 points on the road, you cannot lose.

Defensive sideline and staff: challenge accepted

 

[thestatman]

Here are the plays:

3rd and 14: 9 yard run play to Kareem Hunt
3rd and 10: DPI
3rd and 7: 5 yard pass to Njoku which set up a 4th and 2 which Odell dropped. This was very much a throw that was made knowing it was chipping away at yardage for the 4th down attempt
3rd and 18: 11 yard pass to Hunt.
3rd and 20: incompletion to alligator arms
3rd and 9: 3 yard run from Hunt
3rd and 10: hail mary incompletion

It's easy to just present the numbers, but specifically which of these conversions was Mayfield shitting the bed? This wasn't a bunch of 3rd and 6's here guy

Moz...no matter what Baker does, the haters are going to criticize. As far as I'm concerned he answered the critics today big time. He was flat out tremendous.

 

[Coyote]

Here are the plays:

3rd and 14: 9 yard run play to Kareem Hunt
3rd and 10: DPI
3rd and 7: 5 yard pass to Njoku which set up a 4th and 2 which Odell dropped. This was very much a throw that was made knowing it was chipping away at yardage for the 4th down attempt
3rd and 18: 11 yard pass to Hunt.
3rd and 20: incompletion to alligator arms
3rd and 9: 3 yard run from Hunt
3rd and 10: hail mary incompletion

It's easy to just present the numbers, but specifically which of these conversions was Mayfield shitting the bed? This wasn't a bunch of 3rd and 6's here guy

Thank you...I was wondering if my memory was f'ed or what. I remembered a couple of the Hunt plays and wondering why we were running those on 3rd and long.

 

[Liam]

I guess AJ Green covering Mike Williams all game is lost on you.

I'm glad you brought up Mike Williams...


Wanna explain to me what our top 10 paid Safety is doing here?

 

[DJTJ]

I will admit that Stefanski's explanation of the 3rd and 10 draw call was quite pathetic. Especially when you consider they threw the ball on 2nd down.

I am willing to chalk it up to coach speak because he certainly doesn't want to toss any of his players under the bus, but that answer definitely wasn't acceptable.

or maybe that’s just… his candid explanation of what the play call was?

 

[TheLand1287]

At least it was a late game so we can just get drunk and go to sleep and don’t have to think about it all day. That’s about all the optimism I’ve got fellas.

 

[DJTJ]

I'm glad you brought up Mike Williams...


Wanna explain to me what our top 10 paid Safety is doing here?

Correctly playing his portion of coverage?

He can’t account for Harrison biting on the underneath route. Trent Green literally explained it live during the game.

If the safety bites, you just throw it and it’s a TD. If the safety doesn’t bite, which he SHOULDNT have, the throw isn’t made.

 

[DirtyDan]

I'm glad you brought up Mike Williams...


Wanna explain to me what our top 10 paid Safety is doing here?

Yeah, I already mentioned they had lapses in coverage but you had Greedy Williams and AJ Green covering their best receivers all day.

Then Myles out during a key moment because of injury. Already missing Clowney, Troy Hill seemingly playing hurt too.

Defense deserves blame but it's a two way street when they stop a drive and the offense goes three and out instead of building that lead and giving time for them to recover.

 

[buzzdog]

Moz...no matter what Baker does, the haters are going to criticize. As far as I'm concerned he answered the critics today big time. He was flat out tremendous.

I'm sticking up for Baker big-time today. But I'd stop short of saying he was tremendous. I don't think he played his best game but I'd say he was maybe 85% of what I expect. Considering he's not 100% physically that's not bad. He has clearly adjusted to having a sketchy left shoulder.

I'm just totally pissed that KS took the ball out of his hands when we needed to convert first downs. No matter what, if you don't try it won't happen and KS was hoping for long runs when every other HC in the league would have been passing all the way. IDGAF if you're worried about pass protection, or whatever. You have to give your players a chance to make the plays.

 

[CBBI]

I take it we’re including the fourth down conversations, considering the Chargers converted 6 total third downs.

What separates Herbert from Baker was punching the ball in three times after unique circumstances- the Hill illegal contact, the “DPI” and 4th and 2 from their own side of the field (before then going for it on 4th and 8).

Baker had a single drive have difficulty. And we completely abandoned any and all hope, and our coach just came out and admitted it post game because of the risk with two back up OTs.

He’s getting an extension because the team is too good to press the restart button. We don’t even HAVE these conversations if we don’t blow two score leads.

I was including 4th downs for both players, yes.

But ultimately I'm just tired of the excuses as to *why* it's not all Baker's fault. He's the quarterback. Everything is ultimately falls at his feet because that's just the way it works for the position he plays.

Herbert's OL played much worse than Baker's did today. He got sacked twice and hit 8 other times. He was under duress far more more often. Herbert's running game was also much worse. Chargers RB's put up all of 83 yards compared to the 222 for the Browns backs. And ultimately it just didn't matter. Herbert still got the job done.

The Browns offense is built to win now. Every ancillary piece is either very good or absolutely tremendous and they have been absolutely horrible all year, not just tonight, in clear passing situations.

And they aren't going to win anything significant this year because of it.

 

[buzzdog]

I will admit that Stefanski's explanation of the 3rd and 10 draw call was quite pathetic. Especially when you consider they threw the ball on 2nd down.

I am willing to chalk it up to coach speak because he certainly doesn't want to toss any of his players under the bus, but that answer definitely wasn't acceptable.

Quite frankly I'm sick of hearing KS take the blame after the game. Just make the right calls during the game and either trust the guys on the field, or replace them with someone else.

 

[CBBI]

or maybe that’s just… his candid explanation of what the play call was?

Then it's an unacceptable answer and he deserves much more criticism for it.

Because why would he be willing to throw the ball on 2nd down, but then cite the possibility of something bad happening with 2 backup tackles as to why he didn't throw on 3rd down?

That answer doesn't make sense under those circumstances. If you were truly that concerned for your tackles, wouldn't you have not passed at all?

 

[Chris]

Already having flashbacks of how great it was that the Cavs had LeBron and were contending, but how much more stressful it was in everything surrounding the team.

I guess it sure beats the days where we lost and I didn’t give a fuck because the team was going 1-15.

I am a Baker fan but I also have to admit a lot of the anti-Baker guys are making great points in here. Without a dynamic passing attack I don’t think this team can go where it wants to go.