Week #5 - Baker Bounce Back @ Bolts

[DJTJ]

Then it's an unacceptable answer and he deserves much more criticism for it.

Because why would he be willing to throw the ball on 2nd down, but then cite the possibility of something bad happening with 2 backup tackles as to why he didn't throw on 3rd down?

That answer doesn't make sense under those circumstances. If you were truly that concerned for your tackles, wouldn't you have not passed at all?

I agree entirely.

That drive, much like in the KC game, was Kevin shitting all over his legs.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I was including 4th downs for both players, yes.

But ultimately I'm just tired of the excuses as to *why* it's not all Baker's fault. He's the quarterback. Everything is ultimately falls at his feet because that's just the way it works for the position he plays.

Herbert's OL played much worse than Baker's did today. He got sacked twice and hit 8 other times. He was under duress far more more often. Herbert's running game was also much worse. Chargers RB's put up all of 83 yards compared to the 222 for the Browns backs. And ultimately it just didn't matter. Herbert still got the job done.

The Browns offense is built to win now. Every ancillary piece is either very good or absolutely tremendous and they have been absolutely horrible all year, not just tonight, in clear passing situations.

And they aren't going to win anything significant this year because of it.

I think we overrate a lot of the passing options, especially with Jarvis out. OBJ isn't working/being used, DPJ is good not great, Higgins is JAG and Schwartz hasn't been anything of note since KC. The best passing options have been a TE and their running backs, and they can only do so much.

 

[FiveThous]

The Cleveland Browns in five games this season when faced with 3rd or 4th down and 5+ to gain are just 9-37 (24.3%).

When the defense knows the Browns have to pass, the Browns have really struggled significantly.

What’s league average?

 

[Liam]

Yeah, I already mentioned they had lapses in coverage but you had Greedy Williams and AJ Green covering their best receivers all day.

Then Myles out during a key moment because of injury. Already missing Clowney, Troy Hill seemingly playing hurt too.

Defense deserves blame but it's a two way street when they stop a drive and the offense goes three and out instead of building that lead and giving time for them to recover.

The offense punted 3 times, didn't turn the ball over and had 36mins Time of possession how much more recovering do you want the defense to have?

 

[prf100]

I agree entirely.

That drive, much like in the KC game, was Kevin shitting all over his legs.

That KC drive was going very well until the interception. That’s not on KS

 

[DJTJ]

What’s league average?

Probably very similar.

Stastically, I think it was referenced in Civilized Barking, Justin Herbert is the best 3rd down QB in the entire league, and that it’s not entirely close.

 

[DJTJ]

That KC drive was going very well until the interception. That’s not on KS

I’m specifically referencing the one that, like this one, was a three and out and ended with the fucked up punt.

 

[prf100]

I’m specifically referencing the one that, like this one, was a three and out and ended with the fucked up punt.

Ah… true

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Probably very similar.

Stastically, I think it was referenced in Civilized Barking, Justin Herbert is the best 3rd down QB in the entire league, and that it’s not entirely close.

By the way, Mahomes is the most efficient at getting 1st downs but so rarely ends up getting to 3rd down that Herbert is the leader.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Already having flashbacks of how great it was that the Cavs had LeBron and were contending, but how much more stressful it was in everything surrounding the team.

I guess it sure beats the days where we lost and I didn’t give a fuck because the team was going 1-15.

I am a Baker fan but I also have to admit a lot of the anti-Baker guys are making great points in here. Without a dynamic passing attack I don’t think this team can go where it wants to go.

Honestly man, I hate to be that ~~anything can happen~~ guy, but the Eagles won with big dick Nick like 4 years ago. Eli really was never anything special nor was Flaccid.

People treat the favorites as the "they can't possibly lose" which is what leads to statements like we won't go anywhere. The Browns are absolutely a SB contender. Are we the best team in the league? ... maybe. But even if not we are absolutely actual contenders.

 

[Chris]

Honestly man, I hate to be that ~~anything can happen~~ guy, but the Eagles won with big dick Nick like 4 years ago. Eli really was never anything special nor was Flaccid.

People treat the favorites as the "they can't possibly lose" which is what leads to statements like we won't go anywhere. The Browns are absolutely a SB contender. Are we the best team in the league? ... maybe. But even if not we are absolutely actual contenders.

I dont disagree and we should just be happy the organization is competent and a contender finally. And has a chance to make deep playoff runs.

But then again I guess if we were all just content what would we all bitch about on here

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I dont disagree and we should just be happy the organization is competent and a contender finally. And has a chance to make deep playoff runs.

But then again I guess if we were all just content what would we all bitch about on here

No doubt. I'm not content. I just disagree with the notion that the Browns can't win a superbowl with Mayfield which seems to be what many are implying

We need to get better. There is a lot to hate about this game. But we are contenders this year imo

 

[CBBI]

I think we overrate a lot of the passing options, especially with Jarvis out. OBJ isn't working/being used, DPJ is good not great, Higgins is JAG and Schwartz hasn't been anything of note since KC. The best passing options have been a TE and their running backs, and they can only do so much.

The All-22 says different IMO. Not saying these guys are getting wide open on every play, but Baker has always struggled with progressions.

He's always been a guy who struggles with dropping his eyes against pressure too, which certainly doesn't help his ability to see guys come open.

 

[buzzdog]

Just a very frustrating loss. I know I've been hard on Kevin Stefanski here. I love so much about the guy. But there's nothing that pisses me off more than 1) going into prevent defenses instead of continuing to attack, and by doing so letting teams back into games, and 2) doing the equivalent on offense, going into a shell with super conservative play calling, and failing to execute drives in crunch time that keep a potent opposing offense off the field.

Stefanski is egregiously guilty of #2.

 

[DirtyDan]

The offense punted 3 times, didn't turn the ball over and had 36mins Time of possession how much more recovering do you want the defense to have?

The Chargers had a hurry-up offense and played all 4 downs from the beginning of the 3rd quarter to the end of the game. Our defense with Greedy and AJ covering their best receivers. This is not a recipe for success. They deserve blame but they were able to get a key stop in the third quarter when the score was 27 - 21 and the offense proceeded to go 3 and out. The drive before the defense did their job, the Browns had 5 plays and punted. We needed points or a long drive but basically let the Chargers catch up.

Also pay attention to time of possession after the 2nd quarter. It was close to even for both teams but the difference was Chargers playing with urgency and converting downs with chunk plays against a winded defense while our offense couldn't keep pace.

This is a team loss. Defense, offense, special teams, and coaching were not good.

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