Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[2 For The Brew]

not a chance, I bet Simmons never makes another all star game in his career if he doesn't learn to shoot free throws to the point where he wont get hacked so much that coach has to pull in him all the time. He is just not that good has always been overrated by the media and if he would be the Cavs best player(he wouldn't) then every other player should be disavowed immediately

Ben is very good at transition offense and against weak defenses. He’s also an excellent defensive player.

His half court game against good defense ranges from barely acceptable to atrocious. He plays well “downhill” but not “uphill”.

He also has no interest in working on his game or pushing himself in game against opposition. He can smash the easy button. Classic underachiever.

IMHO he would be a disaster on our team for cultural reasons alone, but our spacing is worse than Philly’s and Cleveland is an even less desirable location for a socialite than Philly.

The one big advantage the Cavaliers have as a destination for Ben is that the fan base will put up with a lot more bullshit than many other cities and especially Philly. Nevertheless I don’t think it will take more than two years for Cleveland to get tired of him.

A shame, really, because if Simmons had half of Sexton’s drive he‘d be an MVP candidate because his athleticism and other gifts are top end.

 

[Cavatt]

Ben is very good at transition offense and against weak defenses. He’s also an excellent defensive player.

His half court game against good defense ranges from barely acceptable to atrocious. He plays well “downhill” but not “uphill”.

He also has no interest in working on his game or pushing himself in game against opposition. He can smash the easy button. Classic underachiever.

IMHO he would be a disaster on our team for cultural reasons alone, but our spacing is worse than Philly’s and Cleveland is an even less desirable location for a socialite than Philly.

The one big advantage the Cavaliers have as a destination for Ben is that the fan base will put up with a lot more bullshit than many other cities and especially Philly. Nevertheless I don’t think it will take more than two years for Cleveland to get tired of him.

A shame, really, because if Simmons had half of Sexton’s drive he‘d be an MVP candidate because his athleticism and other gifts are top end.

I have a really basic question about Ben. His dad was a professional basketball player when he was a kid. How on earth did he not learn to shoot fts? His dad should be ashamed of himself

 

[ansatsusha80]

I have a really basic question about Ben. His dad was a professional basketball player when he was a kid. How on earth did he not learn to shoot fts? His dad should be ashamed of himself

You can't teach heart...

 

[Cavatt]

You can't teach heart...

I do think he uses the wrong hand.

 

[cavsfever]

not a chance, I bet Simmons never makes another all star game in his career if he doesn't learn to shoot free throws to the point where he wont get hacked so much that coach has to pull in him all the time. He is just not that good has always been overrated by the media and if he would be the Cavs best player(he wouldn't) then every other player should be disavowed immediately

It's clear Simmons was overrated before but now people are dumping on him so viciously that he's probably underrated. People talk about him now like he's an absolute scrub.

 

[Ozone]

It's clear Simmons was overrated before but now people are dumping on him so viciously that he's probably underrated. People talk about him now like he's an absolute scrub.

The league has taken notice to "how afraid" he really is. Hell Shaq one of the worst free throw shooters of all time said Ben you aint that good. It is not just to shoot as opposed to making a crisp pass, it is when the game is in the balance he has to pass to be impactful as we saw him pass up a lay up or dunk I mean wtf is he thinking there and tbh to stay on the floor is not an option for him anymore in that situation and Doc should have known he can't play him in that situation but definitely knows it now.
But Simmons is a franchise level paid player on a team with a MVP candidate center and he won't report to camp because he is a prima . No thanks, he is not underrated he is useless in the end of games and for that his paycheck is overpay by double. If he is willing to take Okoro's pay check and give his $ to Sexton sure lets trade Love and a couple 2nds beyond that don't want him

 

[Deezus]

Pithy comments asides, if he was on the Cavs, he'd be their best player until Mobley blossomed (and maybe even after that).
The next Cavalier to make an All-NBA first team defense, or all NBA 3rd team or any variation there of would be the first since LeBron left. So a guy who can't shoot, won't shoot, is scared to shoot is so good at everything else, he manages ALL NBA 3rd TEAM while his team wins games and makes the playoffs. (two pretty elusive achievements for the Cavs sans LeBron).
It doesn't matter, it's not happening, but the hot-takes on boiling down Ben Simmons to only his flaws doesn't square with what he'd actually do for the team if we were able to acquire him. Which is get the Cavs into their first playoff appearance since 2018 and first non-LeBron playoff appearance since 1998.

Simmons made all 3rd team based on his role, the team he was on, and their record. That is how these All-NBA teams work. If you equate that to "Ben Simmons is one of the best 15 players in the NBA because he made the ALL-NBA 3rd Team", I don't know what to tell you.

Also... why would our goal be to "get to our first playoff appearance since 2018 and without Lebron since 1998"?! Fuck that. Give me a high-ceiling Denver-style team that can make a true run or blow it up and make trades to roll the dice again for the future. I'm fine with sucking until we can have a real contender-type ceiling.

Maybe you'd feel better with the Indiana Pacers' type of approach?

 

[foucault87]

Regardless of how good a player he is, Ben Simmons is not good enough that you ignore all his faults to get him to be on your team. There are maybe 5 of those guys in the NBA in a given year, and Ben sure as hell aint it. I dont think Kyrie breaks that barrier, and hes way better than Ben Simmons.

When it comes down to it, he is worth negative spacing and has a shitty attitude. Not what you want in your marquee player if you are trying to build a hardworking culture. And when we have to trade our one of our two spacers (sexland) to make the trade work? I hate it from a basketball, team building, and cultural perspective. Collin is the polar opposite of him personality wise and that is what you should try to build a culture around.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I have a really basic question about Ben. His dad was a professional basketball player when he was a kid. How on earth did he not learn to shoot fts? His dad should be ashamed of himself

What‘s inexplicable to me is that Simmons is from Australia. Delly is a typical Australian in terms of how they do sports - balls out, probably the nation with the best competitive sports mindset in the world (excepting maybe the Kiwis). Ben is the exact opposite. Evidently that sports culture did not resonate with Ben.

 

[Deezus]

What‘s inexplicable to me is that Simmons is from Australia. Delly is a typical Australian in terms of how they do sports - balls out, probably the nation with the best competitive sports mindset in the world (excepting maybe the Kiwis). Ben is the exact opposite. Evidently that sports culture did not resonate with Ben.

Simple answer. He's an athletic freak, while Delly had to work for it. He was the 1st overall pick and was able to be successful and become generationally rich without putting his "all" into any of it. It seems to be enough for him. He's got the cash. "Fuck the haters."

AKA good for him... but I'd never, EVER, trade for this dude. He doesn't want to be great. He wants the money.

 

[Goldin Brown]

It's clear Simmons was overrated before but now people are dumping on him so viciously that he's probably underrated. People talk about him now like he's an absolute scrub.

The Playoffs make or break players. This past playoffs he played like a scrub, so that's what he is until he shows us something different. Especially at that salary, making $35 mil a year and just shrinking on the biggest stage is incredibly alarming. Also, he's entering his prime and he's barely improved his game, a lot of signs pointing to him never becoming the player people hoped he could be.

 

[weepinwillow]

Simmons made all 3rd team based on his role, the team he was on, and their record. That is how these All-NBA teams work. If you equate that to "Ben Simmons is one of the best 15 players in the NBA because he made the ALL-NBA 3rd Team", I don't know what to tell you.

Also... why would our goal be to "get to our first playoff appearance since 2018 and without Lebron since 1998"?! Fuck that. Give me a high-ceiling Denver-style team that can make a true run or blow it up and make trades to roll the dice again for the future. I'm fine with sucking until we can have a real contender-type ceiling.

Maybe you'd feel better with the Indiana Pacers' type of approach?

Tobias Harris was on those teams and wasn't All NBA 3rd team. Simmons was a main driver of good 76er teams. He's been an extremely good player every year he's been in the NBA.

I don't think it's the goal to be a 1st or 2nd round playoff out, as much as it is context to what a Cavaliers playoff team means. Prior to LeBron, if you could have a few seasons as a 2nd round out and one season in the ECF, there was a good chance the Cavs were retiring your jersey.

Cavs fans who scoff at simply being a playoff team don't know how hard it has been for the Cavs to simply be that.

 

[ryanf]

Tobias Harris was on those teams and wasn't All NBA 3rd team. Simmons was a main driver of good 76er teams. He's been an extremely good player every year he's been in the NBA.

I don't think it's the goal to be a 1st or 2nd round playoff out, as much as it is context to what a Cavaliers playoff team means. Prior to LeBron, if you could have a few seasons as a 2nd round out and one season in the ECF, there was a good chance the Cavs were retiring your jersey.

Cavs fans who scoff at simply being a playoff team don't know how hard it has been for the Cavs to simply be that.

It's actually a shame tobias harris isn't nba 3rd team. He just had a monster season of 19.5 pts shooting 51% from 2 and 39% from 3.

 

[2 For The Brew]

It's actually a shame tobias harris isn't nba 3rd team. He just had a monster season of 19.5 pts shooting 51% from 2 and 39% from 3.

He’ll make $36 million this year so the man is doing just fine.

In fact the Sixers have nothing to worry about if Simmons stays in California because they’ve added Andre Drummond at a bargain price. Andre is a much better FT shooter and rebounder than Ben, and he can play the point about as well as Simmons shoots threes.

 

[ryanf]

He’ll make $36 million this year so the man is doing just fine.

In fact the Sixers have nothing to worry about if Simmons stays in California because they’ve added Andre Drummond at a bargain price. Andre is a much better FT shooter and rebounder than Ben, and he can play the point about as well as Simmons shoots threes.

now they have a guy who's NOT afraid to shoot