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Anyone want to buy a never opened bobble head?
How much?
Anyone want to buy a never opened bobble head?
Trade you for a Justin Masterson Jersey.Anyone want to buy a never opened bobble head?
If that's in good shape, how much? LolTrade you for a Justin Masterson Jersey.
Been on a hanger since I got the damn thing when I walked in the gate. I'll give it to ya if you really want it.If that's in good shape, how much? Lol
Our biggest asset is the farm system. It's what gave you Bieber, JRam, Civale, McKenzie, Plesac, Rosario, Gimenez, Reyes, Clase, Karinchak, and Sandlin to name a few and it's about to give you a shit ton more.Now is not the time to sit on our hands and our prospects. Now is the time to act. Waiting another year won't make us better, it will put us a year closer to losing our biggest assets.
Its not panic, its timing.
We didn't finish 13 games out because we weren't good enough. We finished 13 games out because our rotation got destroyed. When we had to go to our pitching depth, we were forced to use Morgan, who had 5 IP in AAA two years earlier...Hentges, who had never pitched in AAA...Mejia, who had never pitched in AA...a total of 41 starts from three kids that were nowhere close to ready. This year, depending on how R5 works out, we could literally have ten SPs by mid season with more experience than those three had.
While the other division teams may add, we will automatically add Bieber, Civale, and Plesac. We are a lot closer to Chicago than most fans think. One major long term addition and one/two short term upgrades put us right at the top.
You have to be really pessimistic to dismiss this FO and this team in 2022.
Disagree.Now is not the time to sit on our hands and our prospects. Now is the time to act. Waiting another year won't make us better, it will put us a year closer to losing our biggest assets.
Its not panic, its timing.
We didn't finish 13 games out because we weren't good enough. We finished 13 games out because our rotation got destroyed. When we had to go to our pitching depth, we were forced to use Morgan, who had 5 IP in AAA two years earlier...Hentges, who had never pitched in AAA...Mejia, who had never pitched in AA...a total of 41 starts from three kids that were nowhere close to ready. This year, depending on how R5 works out, we could literally have ten SPs by mid season with more experience than those three had.
While the other division teams may add, we will automatically add Bieber, Civale, and Plesac. We are a lot closer to Chicago than most fans think. One major long term addition and one/two short term upgrades put us right at the top.
You have to be really pessimistic to dismiss this FO and this team in 2022.
By the time you decide to trade prospects to become a super contender, as you call it, our present core will be too expensive to keep...and the window will have closed. You will be in a never ending cycle of acquiring kids while we trade good young vets to acquire more prospects...wash, rinse, repeat.Disagree.
Now IS the time to sit on our prospects (not all, but most of them). They didn't protect 12 prospects (more than double than normal) just for fun. They believe in the talent of those guys and the young players they traded for.
Playing these young players and prospects will simply make us better by experience and age curve. The nitro zone is 25 to 29yo and we have many guys entering that range.
I'd trade maybe 1 or 2 of the MIF glut, one from the Chang/Miller/Clement depth, another from Arias/Freeman/Tena. I'd also make N. Jones, Lavastida, Bo Naylor, C. Vargas and the comp A pick available in a deal for a vet bat....but I'd keep as many of the upper minors 40 roster additions as possible and would rather trade prospects further away.
We're not a couple of ok'ish bats away from being a super contender, we're building this the right way while being competitive enough to react accordingly at the deadline.
What you're asking for is what the Marlins are doing, and it's not smart. It's panic mode, making moves for the sake of making moves.
It didn't? We got Clase in the Kluber trade. Where did Kluber come from? We got Rosario and Gimenez in the Lindor/Carrasco deal. Where did Lindor and Carrasco come from? We got Reyes in the Bauer deal. Where did Bauer come from? Doesn't matter if they were drafted or acquired via trade. They all came up through our farm system.Our farm system did not give us Rosario, Gimenez, Clase, or Reyes.
Prospects have never won a MLB game.
And if, as you say, the farm system is gonna give us a ton more, what do you propose we do with the ones we have? Cut them loose for no return?
But you have yet to answer the question I have asked you multiple times....lol.
At the beginning of 2021, we had sixteen MIF players/prospects in the org...all rated as 40 FVs or better. Right now ten are on the 40 man. One of them, Palacios, is moving to the OF. We can only play two MIFs at a time in Cleveland.
If you aren't willing to trade them, what do you plan to do with them all?
I'd like to know.
Well said Tondo. Thank you.Rot on the field? We will need most of those on the 40 to contribute 2022 and 2023
If you believe in the talent, you play it instead of trading it.
But I feel like they can thread the needle between trading and playing the prospects, but they won't put their prospect eggs all in one basket. We won't trade for Reynolds or Olson. Is that what you want? Or are you happy enough with Happ etc