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Cleveland Guardians Offseason Discussion 2021-22

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Urban said:
How dare he say he has aspirations to be like the guy in the HOF that also has a statue in Progressive Field
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Because he isn't that talented? Because he isn't even close to being a Thome Jr at this point? Because maybe its another way to politely say he thinks he's better than he really is? Self awareness is important for all adults, even professional athletes. He wouldn't be the first Tribe prospect lately to think like this; just got done with another 1b who had power that never materialized who thought he was the next Joey Votto, even as he struggled to hit his weight. Our current corner OFer/4th OFer was too cool for winter school not too long ago; now here he is, hanging onto his bigleague career by a thread. This isn't the first time we have heard a scout doubt Jones, so maybe there is something here besides someone holding a grudge over a comment made 6-7 years ago or whenever Jones was a teenager.
 
CATS44 said:
A question...

If Laureano was a free agent, how much would you be willing to pay him for a one year deal? Two years? Three years?

Would you be willing to pay him $10 mil for one year?

$15 mil for two?

$22-24 mil for three?

Just spit balling here...

Laureano will get just under $3 mil this year. He is under control for three years. A normal progression in arby would be 3-5-7, a little more if he continued as a 4 WAR player.

Elvis Andrus will get $14.25 mil next year, but $7.25 of that will be paid by the Rangers. He also has a vesting option that kicks in at 550 PAs next year, which he won't get.

His total cost is $7 mil. It's also possible that he could be flipped, if we paid most of it...say $5 mil.

Anyway, Oakland would love to get out from under his contract. They would at least listen to an offer for Laureano that included taking Andrus salary off their hands.

Laureano and Andrus would cost us just under $10 mil next year, maybe a little less. Thats more bang for the buck than any FA OF we could sign....and we'd still have Laureano for two more years at well below market value.
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It likely wouldn’t make enough of a dent in Laureano’s value (change the package appreciably). As opposed to taking on a Mulholland with Marte. Now that’s a contract that’s disturbingly underwater:)

Edit: Mulholland? How about Bumgarner. Who knows what I was thinking. I suppose they’re both lefty’s.
 
A few things on Jones:

1. This Thome thing is coming from, as far as I can tell, a random guy on Twitter. Not Mandy Bell, not Jeff Passan, not anyone proven to be credible - just some guy.
2. By almost every account I've heard/read from actual reliable sources, Jones is a hard-worker, modest, and well-liked by teammates.
3. Even if it is true, are we really questioning him for setting his sights on greatness? Hell, I hope every single prospect wants to be great. That's the mentality most successful athletes have. If a player is aiming to be the next Mike Rouse that's a bigger problem IMO.
4. Again, we reallllllly need some news.
 
Steve_424 said:
A few things on Jones:

1. This Thome thing is coming from, as far as I can tell, a random guy on Twitter. Not Mandy Bell, not Jeff Passan, not anyone proven to be credible - just some guy.
2. By almost every account I've heard/read from actual reliable sources, Jones is a hard-worker, modest, and well-liked by teammates.
3. Even if it is true, are we really questioning him for setting his sights on greatness? Hell, I hope every single prospect wants to be great. That's the mentality most successful athletes have. If a player is aiming to be the next Mike Rouse that's a bigger problem IMO.
4. Again, we reallllllly need some news.
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No news until a few days after the World Series lol
 
macbdog said:
Because he isn't that talented? Because he isn't even close to being a Thome Jr at this point? Because maybe its another way to politely say he thinks he's better than he really is? Self awareness is important for all adults, even professional athletes. He wouldn't be the first Tribe prospect lately to think like this; just got done with another 1b who had power that never materialized who thought he was the next Joey Votto, even as he struggled to hit his weight. Our current corner OFer/4th OFer was too cool for winter school not too long ago; now here he is, hanging onto his bigleague career by a thread. This isn't the first time we have heard a scout doubt Jones, so maybe there is something here besides someone holding a grudge over a comment made 6-7 years ago or whenever Jones was a teenager.
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Think this went over your head worse than a fly ball hit at Daniel Johnson
 
DCTribefan said:
www.cleveland.com

Decision time approaching for Cleveland Guardians after a season of player evaluation

The Guardians handed out a lot of playing time in 2021 in an effort to see who could help them in the future. Here's a look at some of the players who took advantage of that and and some who didn't.
www.cleveland.com www.cleveland.com
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Man! I would hate to see OGon walk after posting numbers like that.

HRam, Zimmer, and Mercado can all go down the road.

Perez's option is far too expensive for a poor hitting C that can't stay healthy.

I love Clement, but how important is he to the success of the 22 Guardians?

Chang performed well down the stretch. I guess if they wanted to trade Gimenez or Rosario he could be kept around until one of the up and comers take it.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
 
CDAV45 said:
Man! I would hate to see OGon walk after posting numbers like that.

HRam, Zimmer, and Mercado can all go down the road.

Perez's option is far too expensive for a poor hitting C that can't stay healthy.

I love Clement, but how important is he to the success of the 22 Guardians?

Chang performed well down the stretch. I guess if they wanted to trade Gimenez or Rosario he could be kept around until one of the up and comers take it.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
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I’m with you. I think all the guys you listed (before Gimenez/Rosario, obviously) are DFA candidates
 
Derek said:
I’m with you. I think all the guys you listed (before Gimenez/Rosario, obviously) are DFA candidates
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When I look at the current 40 man roster, I count 15 that could be sent packing with little to no regret. How many spaces do we need?
 
If we hang on to Zimmer, Mercado and Harold types and lose O. Gonzales because of one of them the front office is a joke. None of these guys are difference makers and you can sign a few every off season. We have a bunch of young guys knocking on the door in the next 2 years that we don't want to lose before giving them a chance.
 
Kiddo said:
If we hang on to Zimmer, Mercado and Harold types and lose O. Gonzales because of one of them the front office is a joke. None of these guys are difference makers and you can sign a few every off season. We have a bunch of young guys knocking on the door in the next 2 years that we don't want to lose before giving them a chance.
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Not to mention Johnson and Chang.

If we hang onto these guys, we will lose a lot worse than Gonzalez.
 
Kiddo said:
If we hang on to Zimmer, Mercado and Harold types and lose O. Gonzales because of one of them the front office is a joke. None of these guys are difference makers and you can sign a few every off season. We have a bunch of young guys knocking on the door in the next 2 years that we don't want to lose before giving them a chance.
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OGonz is a heavy bust candidate so if we don't add him that is the reason why. Also we probably won't keep all those guys luckily... Mercado ends up being the candidate to keep in the OF since likely we have a bunch of lefties to be in the OF plus he is a solid defender. I have a hunch Chang is going to be legit in 22...
 
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