East is getting tough!

[PIP]

gadz and the other guy are nothing more then energy players-

gadz doesn't do offense- and neither are capable of getting 15 to 20 every night.

plus, you seriously are putting a little too much stock into ford- i hope he does stay healthy, but you can't really count on him..

i understand why you are optimistic about your team (trust me, i know why) but it's not realistic- i'm not real high as others are on the pacers, but i can at least see where they are going to successful- same goes for detroit, miami.ect.. but i just don't see much for the bucks..

the bucks are a few pieces away--

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Your sooooo funny!

Benedict Wingate,

How could you not support your good mate Bogut? Isn't he your homeboy?

Oh by the way, put your boots on. There could be a taipan lurking.

Taipan = 2005-06 Milwaukee Bucks

 

[Troy Wingate]

Since when did a team need a stellar PG to advance in the playoffs? Fine, we don't have Michael Jordan, but we LeBron James.

Here's championship team w/o a stellar PG:
2000-2002 Lakers- had Ron Harper and Derek Fisher as their starting PG's
91-93, 96-98 Bulls- had Armstrong, Paxson, and Harper as starting PG's

Reason they made it so far:
They had other guys who could handle the ball (ie- Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Kobe)

These guys did their jobs, handled the ball and didn't turn it over. That's all the Cavs need.

 

[Troy Wingate]

Benedict Wingate,

How could you not support your good mate Bogut? Isn't he your homeboy?

Oh by the way, put your boots on. There could be a taipan lurking.

Taipan = 2005-06 Milwaukee Bucks

Quite easy. He dissed my country, the same country he supposely calls home. Not only our great players, but the country itself, but saying crap like 'If you want to succeed, come to America'. Bogut can get stuffed. I was rooting for him, then he said that crap, so stuff Bogut.

 

[Karma]

Another long immature Cleveland vs Milwaukee debate. Always great to see 2 lottery teams argueing saying we'll be the 5th seed before the season starts and without their rosters complete. TJ, lay off until Ford has proven on court that he has recovered, and Bogut proves he can be an immediate impact. Those are two huge question marks. TJ may be healthy, but he could be another Bobby Hurley. Right now the Cavalier's have the more "proven" squad, but as I stated at the start, this means nothing.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Another long immature Cleveland vs Milwaukee debate. Always great to see 2 lottery teams argueing saying we'll be the 5th seed before the season starts and without their rosters complete. TJ, lay off until Ford has proven on court that he has recovered, and Bogut proves he can be an immediate impact. Those are two huge question marks. TJ may be healthy, but he could be another Bobby Hurley. Right now the Cavalier's have the more "proven" squad, but as I stated at the start, this means nothing.

Don't be a killjoy mate. Just good clean fun.

As far as TJ, do your research please. Go to realgm.com/Bucks and read the sticky thread on TJ's health. He's definitely not a Bobby Hurley case.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Do you mean a piece like this Lebron's_Pippen? It's called a quality backup point gaurd. Another player on the Bucks' roster that's better than Snow.

Mo: 10.2ppg, 3.1rpg, .93steals, 43%fg, 85%ft, 32%3pt

Snow: 4ppg, 1.9rpg, .83steals, 38%fg, 73%ft, 28%3pt

 

[KI4MVP]

I think bucks fans are delusional.

First of all, TJ Ford isn't the only PG the bucks lost from 2 years ago. They also lost Damon Jones, who was 2nd in the league in assist/turnovers that year. I don't see any significant change in the bucks record with Ford in the lineup vs with him out - they hovered around .500 either way. Have Bucks fans even considered that not having Damon Jones last year may have been as significant as not having TJ Ford?

Secondly, lost in the last post comparing backup PGs is Snow's defense. That's why the cavs traded for him, not his offense.

 

[bomber]

but TJ is better than Eric Snow and you know it.

Man you really know how to make your case and present it well. Your argument for Ford is he's better than snow, wow what an accomplishment.

You need to realize he is still unproven, after being out WITH an injury for 18 months.

Out 18 months with injury = 0 NBA games.

 

[CBBI]

So let me get this straight....

Milwaukee won 41 games TWO years ago in a HORRIBLE Eastern Conference (Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, Philly, Washington, and Orlando were all significantly WORSE that season then they are now) and now all of a sudden they are going to contend for the 5th spot in the playoffs?

Right this down right now, AT BEST, Milwaukee gets the 7th seed, AT BEST.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

I think bucks fans are delusional.

First of all, TJ Ford isn't the only PG the bucks lost from 2 years ago. They also lost Damon Jones, who was 2nd in the league in assist/turnovers that year. I don't see any significant change in the bucks record with Ford in the lineup vs with him out - they hovered around .500 either way. Have Bucks fans even considered that not having Damon Jones last year may have been as significant as not having TJ Ford?

Secondly, lost in the last post comparing backup PGs is Snow's defense. That's why the cavs traded for him, not his offense.

Damon Jones became the starter after TJ went down and the team immediately went into the gutter. DJ also started the following year and the Bucks were equally woeful. What's your point?

Snow, in his prime, was indeed one of the best on ball pg defenders in the league. Much like Gary Payton, he just doesn't have it anymore. Look at his steals compared to Mo Williams. He's solid but not outstanding. His lack of shooting will be a huge inhibitor for the Cavs. He must be replaced and relegated to the second unit if you guys are going to succeed in the playoffs.

 

[KI4MVP]

Try learning your own team's history.

Damon Jones only played 1 season with the bucks. The season TJ Ford was a rookie. Damon Jones was 2nd in the league in assist/to ratio that year. The bucks were 28-26 when Ford got injured, they finished 41-41. Not a significant difference at all. Last year Jones left for Miami and Ford didn't play and things fell apart. Bucks fans suggest that Ford not playing was the only factor in the 11 game drop, totally overlooking the solid basketball Damon Jones played for them that year.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Your correct on Jones' tenure, guess I stayed up too late talking trash with Tory Wingate and the late night crew. :chuckles:

As far as TJ's impact in year 1, you don't realize that Ford was getting better and better game by game. The Bucks were on a definite uptic. The feeling was that the Bucks would finish strong as TJ began to get more experience and playing time. The Bucks were not the same team after he went down. They were only average as the 41-41 finish suggested. Logic dictates that they would have won more games if the starting point gaurd and unquestioned floor general had not gone down to injury. That's a given. With TJ and Damon, the Bucks would have won anywhere from 45-48 games, imo.

But enough about TJ Cleveland, get me a point gaurd that can bring you a 4 seed.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

This is good stuff here, it's obvious TJ is an intelligent poster who knows the NBA. (the mini-me pic was funny)And he is passionate about the Bucks like I am for the Cavs. Eric snow should not be our starting point if the Cavs want to do great. He'd be better off the bench, or when his defense is needed. A HEALTHY TJ Ford is better than Snow, that dude is quick. I like damon Jones because of his shooting. Will we get our stud PG this year? who knows...

The Bucks and the Cavs will be competitve this year, and play some good games i imagine. Adiing Bogut and Simmons is an upgrade. However I really think LeBron and Hughes will be awesome on the court. They are the core of the team for years to come and it will be special. James over Bogut....WHAM with the right hand!!!

 

[LyXo]

As far as TJ's impact in year 1, you don't realize that Ford was getting better and better game by game. The Bucks were on a definite uptic. The feeling was that the Bucks would finish strong as TJ began to get more experience and playing time. The Bucks were not the same team after he went down. They were only average as the 41-41 finish suggested. Logic dictates that they would have won more games if the starting point gaurd and unquestioned floor general had not gone down to injury. That's a given. With TJ and Damon, the Bucks would have won anywhere from 45-48 games, imo.

That's what everyone said about Jeff McInnis first season he was here.

Let's just break this down real quick.

Bogut < Z
Smith = Gooden
Mason <<< LeBron
Redd = Hughes
Ford > Snow (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt)

Bench
Gadzuric = Varejao
Fizer? < Marshall
Simmons > Newble/Sasha/Jackson
Welsch(lol) < Sasha/Jackson
Williams > ?

Terry Stotts < Mike Brown

So... Milwaukee's going to be better than us? Really?